Curse

Snow Bunny · Sep 19, 2007, 10:22 PM // 22:22

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Originally Posted by fenix

I guess I have a 5th option, because I never lose.

Or maybe it's because I've PvP'd, therefore have a greater knowledge of how to counter things...

QFT.

My party for the whole of GW:EN was legoway...with a SS/Barbs controller. Supposedly rangerspike does it too ^_^

TabascoSauce · Sep 19, 2007, 11:04 PM // 23:04

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Originally Posted by fenix

I guess I have a 5th option, because I never lose.

Nice move - you know if you post your build that it might be nerfed.

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Originally Posted by Gigashadow

You've used that phrase 4 times now just on the last couple of pages. Your record is broken, it's time for a new tune.

It is a truism that people who are bad at things, always try to downplay the amount of personal ability involved. It happens in every single activity, particularly computer games.

Uh, since you so appreciate sarcasm, would you prefer "if it soothes your fragile ego, which is misplaced when invested so heavily in a game that you actually feel hurt and insulted when someone posts the truth that nerf after nerf after nerf was caused by the crying of all the PvP athletes because some scrubs found a loophole and gave them a whomping even though the honest PvP athletes were more skilled than the cheating scrubs?"

Go ahead and tell me I am not good at GW - oh yeah I think you might have already implied that. Well, according to your logic I'm proof positive that builds are more important than skill, because I've won every game with all 7 of my main characters, and partially with my mules. I'm the guy helping people out in the "tough" missions, and capping skills, which I have every one. Oh yeah, and PvP? Got the shirt. Its in the closet, but I've put in my time.

Its all good bro. I don't mind, cause I have no ego invested in this game. It is recreation, not something a vehicle for self-esteem. I submit to you that you are biased because you do have ego invested, and that is why you are insulting me and not even bothering to argue logically.

Thanks!
TabascoSauce

Yichi · Sep 19, 2007, 11:21 PM // 23:21

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Originally Posted by TabascoSauce

Go ahead and tell me I am not good at GW - oh yeah I think you might have already implied that. Well, according to your logic I'm proof positive that builds are more important than skill, because I've won every game with all 7 of my main characters, and partially with my mules. I'm the guy helping people out in the "tough" missions, and capping skills, which I have every one. Oh yeah, and PvP? Got the shirt. Its in the closet, but I've put in my time.

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Originally Posted by TabascoSauce

I have no ego invested in this game.

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Gigashadow · Sep 19, 2007, 11:34 PM // 23:34

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Originally Posted by TabascoSauce

Uh, since you so appreciate sarcasm, would you prefer "if it soothes your fragile ego, which is misplaced when invested so heavily in a game that you actually feel hurt and insulted when someone posts the truth that nerf after nerf after nerf was caused by the crying of all the PvP athletes because some scrubs found a loophole and gave them a whomping even though the honest PvP athletes were more skilled than the cheating scrubs?"

Wow, bitter much?

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Originally Posted by TabascoSauce

Its all good bro. I don't mind, cause I have no ego invested in this game. It is recreation, not something a vehicle for self-esteem. I submit to you that you are biased because you do have ego invested, and that is why you are insulting me and not even bothering to argue logically.

Actually, this is an ironic comment, because it is clear that the person actually emotionally invested in this game is you. I'm sorry that you are so upset about certain aspects of the game that you feel the need to embark on your anti-pvp posting crusade, sniping left and right at any post that might even hint at player ability being an important factor there.

For some reason, it seems to really really bother you that some people can actually be better at Guild Wars PvP than others. Just let it go, no matter what the activity is, whether the game is shallow, or deep, there will always be people out there who are better at the game and are more successful than others. Getting obsessive about deriding other people's accomplishments, even if it's only in a silly computer game people play for fun, just makes you look incredibly bitter.

TabascoSauce · Sep 20, 2007, 12:53 AM // 00:53

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Originally Posted by Gigashadow

Wow, bitter much?

Uh, no.

I appreciate sarcasm as much as you do.

It is funny, that when people post opinions on the internet, they are always anti-something. I'm not anti-PvP. I'm pro-skill collection. I'm in here posting that this is the most important thing you can do in the game, and the reason comes down to the rock, paper, scissors nature of the game.

So, if you look back, you know I started mentioning the PvP in that first post, because you folks seem to take the concept that a superior build will beat player skill, well, personally.

I can characterize you as being ego-dependent on the game as much as you can characterize me as being a poor player who does not understand the game.

In the end, I still feel safe stating that capping skills will allow you to win in PvE (and PvP as well) simply for the rock, paper, scissors options available, and that player skill, while important, is not as deep as you folks seem to want to paint it out to be. Take it as an attack, or not.

If you want to paint me as an anti-PvP kinda guy, then that may be a reflection of your own bias. Hate PvE much?

You do not know me from Adam, why would my assertion that GW capped skills > player skill bother you?

Thanks!
TabascoSauce

Edit - see for Yichi there, he or she appreciates sarcasm because he/she uses it so much, so I know that he/she just loves to talk to me.

Touche, and a tip of the hat.

Cobalt · Sep 20, 2007, 02:32 AM // 02:32

Here is a classic example of just stupid;

I made it to the Shards of Orr dungeon doing part of the primary quest. I go inside and the first mob is 5 wizards 2 clerics and 1 necro. I starting moving in to attack and "Boom", just that quick my whole team is dead, resed tried again and "boom" all dead again. I had -28dp and not even past the first mob so I just left totally disgusted.

It should not matter what skills, builds or team build you have you should not encounter mobs that instantly wipe you like that not even in hard mode. That was not a challenge not by any definition, that was just freaking stupid.

h4mx0r · Sep 20, 2007, 03:12 AM // 03:12

I just played through most of eotn finally...

...

And I don't see what you guys are complaining about. I've found EotN EASIER than Prophecies, EASIER than Factions, and EASIER than Nightfall.

And I'm not even that good a player compared to most gwers.

bungusmaximus · Sep 20, 2007, 05:57 AM // 05:57

Heh anyone did the 'Misanthropic Jotun Principle'? That dungeon is so easy it's not funny anymore, bring [skill]ward of stability[/skill] and 7 puppies and you will still win.

Avarre · Sep 20, 2007, 10:01 AM // 10:01

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Originally Posted by TabascoSauce

Nice move - you know if you post your build that it might be nerfed.

I don't know about Fenix, but all the builds I run are taken from GvG and HA. They're quite visible already

Trav The Ripper · Sep 20, 2007, 10:27 AM // 10:27

games not all that hard, i am normally up to 60 DP and i cope with it, now you guys see why pugs own? someone is always the meat sheild than :P

fireflyry · Sep 20, 2007, 10:28 AM // 10:28

Wow...intense thread and some great posts.

EotN can be hard but the only people I've seen get as frustrated as the OP and the like are those that have no comprehension of how to adapt to new scenarios and situations.

With an open mind and willingness to adapt, change builds and use alternate tactics for the given situation EotN is actually not as hard as one would think.It just takes a bit more thought while thinking outside the square of builds and strategies that got people through the prequels.

It's obvious Anet have not wanted to make the game insanely difficult but have wanted people to challenge themselves and the preordained and cookie cutter success of previous game play.It's the last hurrah before GW2 so why not attempt to take the GW community out of it's comfort shell and make them try new things that were otherwise unthinkable or merely not required for success.

As stated the only people I've seen struggle are those running the same builds and playing the same way they always have while those that have sat back and analyzed the goal at hand and have adapted their game play to suit have been having a blast.....and thats coming from a Sin.

EotN ftw.

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Originally Posted by Cobalt

It should not matter what skills, builds or team build you have you should not encounter mobs that instantly wipe you like that not even in hard mode.

That makes absolutely no sense.

Of course skills, builds and team build play a part...thats why it's called a high end expansion and thats why you got wiped.

At the end of the day thousands of people, if not hundreds of thousands, have done that level....easily.Purely because they adapted and went into it with the right build and set-up.

If your unwilling to adapt or make an effort towards changing your play-style thats fine but don't put the game at fault when it's actually your inability to strategize.

distilledwill · Sep 20, 2007, 10:32 AM // 10:32

Ive h/hed most dungeons so far, including Rragars Menagerie. I havent found any of them to be imposible. Frostmaws can be challenging, so go with players on that and it instantly becomes quite easy i find. Heart of the Shiverpeaks takes a player team the first time to keep the barrels coming, but after that i think its more than henchable.

I h/hed every mission but the final one (and heart of shiverpeaks).

I agree that the game has become far easier, try trotting around the realm of torment and then tell us how hard the game is.

Your solution probably lies in rethinking your own build, as well as those of your heroes and which henches you take.

bungusmaximus · Sep 20, 2007, 10:52 AM // 10:52

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Originally Posted by distilledwill

Frostmaws can be challenging, so go with players on that and it instantly becomes quite easy i find.

Yeah flagging henches away from the worm spawns for 5 floors on end gets old pretty fast ^^. At least players run away by themselves.

SpotJorge · Sep 20, 2007, 11:12 AM // 11:12

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Originally Posted by Cobalt

Here is a classic example of just stupid;

I made it to the Shards of Orr dungeon doing part of the primary quest. I go inside and the first mob is 5 wizards 2 clerics and 1 necro. I starting moving in to attack and "Boom", just that quick my whole team is dead, resed tried again and "boom" all dead again. I had -28dp and not even past the first mob so I just left totally disgusted.

It should not matter what skills, builds or team build you have you should not encounter mobs that instantly wipe you like that not even in hard mode. That was not a challenge not by any definition, that was just freaking stupid.

something very wrong with your team build and with the way you agro mobs, if your team was whiped with only 1 atack from wizards your defense not exist and you gived them the chance to shoot you before you shoot them maybe you could post here your build and party setup so whe can see what you doing wrong ... causes for that

1- you had noone in party to interrupt the wizards
2- you toke too long time to atack or your team wasent powered enough to whip the group fast - if prot monk + para or rit bad setup this sould be suicide
3- dont tell me you stayed quiet looking at the meteors coming on your team ... to avoid this look at skill cast bar of enemie and when meteor is almost casted just make a flaged move of your team to BACK never to side or front (if you do a flag move of heros and henchs all skills they are casting are gona be interruped so do a front or side move is suicide)
4 - other situation that happens a lot is that peeps put only energy runes on heros and forget they need protection runes too ... whats the point of have ele heros with 105 energy if they die fast

TabascoSauce · Sep 20, 2007, 11:47 AM // 11:47

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Originally Posted by Avarre

I don't know about Fenix, but all the builds I run are taken from GvG and HA. They're quite visible already

Yeah, they have already been through the nerf machine.

Thanks!
TabascoSauce

bungusmaximus · Sep 20, 2007, 12:12 PM // 12:12

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Originally Posted by Cobalt

Here is a classic example of just stupid;

I made it to the Shards of Orr dungeon doing part of the primary quest. I go inside and the first mob is 5 wizards 2 clerics and 1 necro. I starting moving in to attack and "Boom", just that quick my whole team is dead, resed tried again and "boom" all dead again. I had -28dp and not even past the first mob so I just left totally disgusted.

Hit them first with [skill]maelstrom[/skill] and the wizards die totally disgusted :P

Crom The Pale · Sep 20, 2007, 12:40 PM // 12:40

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Originally Posted by Cobalt

Here is a classic example of just stupid;

I made it to the Shards of Orr dungeon doing part of the primary quest. I go inside and the first mob is 5 wizards 2 clerics and 1 necro. I starting moving in to attack and "Boom", just that quick my whole team is dead, resed tried again and "boom" all dead again. I had -28dp and not even past the first mob so I just left totally disgusted.

It should not matter what skills, builds or team build you have you should not encounter mobs that instantly wipe you like that not even in hard mode. That was not a challenge not by any definition, that was just freaking stupid.

Classic example of a quiter.

Ive cleared Slavers Exile with Hero/hench at 60%dp

Ive cleared Shards of Orr with 30%dp.

Mob camping at the res shrine? Pull them off it!

Cant stop them from ressing? Kill priest and run, they tend to chase rather than res. Keep them buisy long enough and no corpse to res.

Effort, that is what this game requires. If your party can not do any of the above then leave and change your party/skill bars.

If your mad that it takes you an hour and several party wipes to complete a dungeon while others do the same dungeon in 20min with 0 deaths what does that tell you?

Lourens · Sep 20, 2007, 01:44 PM // 13:44

I did slavers exile with a pug 10% morale boost
and managed doing shards of orr after dying 30 times at the boss xD ( He doesnt regenerate

)

Anyway Guildwars isnt hard

Its 1 of the more easy rpgs around imo

Have Fun

william1975 · Sep 20, 2007, 03:49 PM // 15:49

I havent done every dungeon yet and not slavers exile.

However i have completead the Storyline, using basically the exact same build throughout, (one exception was the last quest killing the great destroyer, had to pull in dervishes there)

Im not a fantastic player, i use the H/H, basically i use two beastmster rangers, one MM, then the two ele henchies and the two monk henchies.

Im a mesmer with ranger as secondary. this has taken me through the whoel of GW:EN. and has also got me through vanquishing elona, along with doign some of the misions, i sometmes take my partner with me, and she uses a fire ele, takes a earth lel heore, and two monks, we tend to do ok and get thorugh relatively easy with good pulling tactics.

The game hasnt been unrealistically difficult for me

The only time i tend to pound my keyboard and yell at the comp is wen i play polymock

Ministry Of Peace · Sep 20, 2007, 05:19 PM // 17:19

They should just make a hero named jason bourne that is unlocked when you get 5000 deaths on your character, then we won't have to deal with anymore noobs complaining